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« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2009, 10:32:03 AM »

The parents are obviously idiots, but I can't help but apportion a measure of the blame to the loftier, pseudo-intellectual ruminators who popularised the "go vegan" fad to the general public in the first place
Veganism might be a feasible birth control method. I changed my mind. Go team veg!
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« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2009, 02:30:07 PM »

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The vegan parents in that article are utter morons; whether they were vegan or not was inconsequential...they simply had no idea how to feed a baby.

I liken the situation to someone putting a potentially dangerous weapon in the hands of an imbecile.

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I love how you guys keep picking on the nutrition angle, as though encouraging someone to reflect on their diet is somehow correlative with them eating *less* carefully.
No, but recommending a diet that requires a higher standard of care whilst withholding the correct nutritional facts will ultimately bring about the same result.   

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I mean, how carefully does the average meat-eater eat or feed their children? How much do they know about nutrition?

They don’t need to be as careful as with a vegan diet.

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Those of you in JHB should come to a Mensa meeting sometime, btw...We have a strangely high number of vegans and vegetarians in our ranks   

For shame.

The parents are obviously idiots, but I can't help but apportion a measure of the blame to the loftier, pseudo-intellectual ruminators who popularised the "go vegan" fad to the general public in the first place
Veganism might be a feasible birth control method. I changed my mind. Go team veg!

Evolution at work.  kitty applause
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« Reply #107 on: November 20, 2009, 04:59:47 PM »


@LordSusan: I expected better from you :P


And that's how progress is made!

Incidentally;

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Business/1153489.html


A company in the United Kingdom is about to lift the lid on a device that zaps lobster with electricity to kill them, and the inventor said Wednesday his humane alternative to boiling is about to give the entire industry a jolt.

British entrepreneur Simon Buckhaven said the CrustaStun system, developed over the past decade by his company Studham Technologies Limited, near London, kills the lobster with an electric charge, so the crustacean feels no "pain or distress."

"I am entirely aware this product will be greeted at first with some skepticism among people in the lobster industry in Eastern Canada and northeastern United States," said Mr. Buckhaven, of what he called the world’s first crustacean stunner.

But he said the animal rights movement in Europe and the United States is gaining traction by protesting the traditional method of killing a lobster in boiling water, prior to serving it with melted lemon or garlic butter.

Seafood distributors and regional seafood retailers are among potential customers lining up to test out the device, said Mr. Buckhaven.

"A lot of people who love to eat lobster do not like preparing it at home because they have to cook it in boiling water. The restaurant industry is also more frequently hearing questions about how lobster will be killed from customers," said the entrepreneur.

Prototypes of the CrustaStun have made appearances in the U.K and in the United States over the years, but the company has just come up with a production model capable of plugging into North American and European power grids and is accepting orders for the devices. They cost about US$3,500 and sit in a kitchen like a microwave.

The inventor and his wife and business partner Charlotte were invited by animal rights activists to a big lobster dinner fundraiser last week, sponsored by the non-profit Child and Family Resource Centre in Tucson, Ariz.

"This is an important fundraiser for us but the animal rights groups were complaining about the lobster being boiled alive. The idea was the protesters would accept the stun device as a more humane way of killing lobster, compared to cooking them in boiling water," said Eric Schindler, president of the resource centre.

Mr. Schindler said in an interview he could not comment either way on boiling versus electrocution as the preferred method of killing lobster.

The animal rights group PETA bought two of the lobster devices and paid for Mr. Buckhaven and his wife to fly to the Arizona event last Saturday to demonstrate the technology.

Unfortunately, the courier service lost the two machines and the animal rights people had to look the other way as volunteers killed hundreds of lobster in boiling water for hungry supporters of the resource centre.

This was perhaps not an auspicious North American debut for the crustacean zapper, but Mr. Buckhaven said the interest of animal rights activists in the Arizona fundraiser should have people in the lobster industry in Eastern Canada paying attention.

"We developed our device out of concern about how lobster and other crustaceans are killed. Animal rights groups share this concern," said Mr. Buckhaven.

He said an industrial version of the CrustaStun system is currently under development by Charlottetown Metal Products in Prince Edward Island. These custom-built models can cost about $100,000 or more.

His company is looking for a North American manufacturer and distributor of the single-lobster device that goes into production in the United Kingdom next week.

The increasing interest of some U.S. celebrities like Mary Tyler Moore and Ellen Degeneres, and organizations like PETA, in lobster cooking techniques has not generated a huge amount of interest in Canada. A segment on the Ellen Show featuring her attempt to free a 65-year-old lobster is popular on YouTube.

Anything that potentially threatens Nova Scotia’s $400-million lobster industry is worthy of some consideration, said Celeste Sulliman, a spokeswoman for the province’s Department of Fisheries and Aquaculture.

"Low prices devastated the industry last year and demonstrated the fragile nature of the marketplace," she said.

The topic of lobster cooking has generated lots of interest in the United Kingdom, where some chefs weighing in on the topic suggested freezing the lobster in a plastic bag as a humane and economical alternative to an electric jolt from the CrustaStun.
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« Reply #108 on: November 21, 2009, 11:01:46 AM »

The topic of lobster cooking has generated lots of interest in the United Kingdom, where some chefs weighing in on the topic suggested freezing the lobster in a plastic bag as a humane and economical alternative to an electric jolt from the CrustaStun.
Yes, much more humane to gradually suffocate and/or freeze to death in a plastic bag than be stunned, taken by surprise, and die from an electric jolt.
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« Reply #109 on: November 21, 2009, 11:59:43 AM »

Or do it the Jamie Oliver way
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To kill the lobsters take a sharp knife, place it at the crown of the head, and cut straight down – this will kill them straight away.
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« Reply #110 on: November 21, 2009, 12:35:34 PM »

Or do it the Jamie Oliver way
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What a dangerous intellectual he is. Killing food before you prepare it? We'd have to watch this Jamie Oliver.
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« Reply #111 on: November 21, 2009, 02:56:18 PM »

The animal rights group PETA bought two of the lobster devices

I love lobster, almost as much as I love sweet sweet irony
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« Reply #112 on: November 21, 2009, 09:56:07 PM »

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To kill the lobsters take a sharp knife, place it at the crown of the head, and cut straight down – this will kill them straight away.
Trust me, throwing them in boiling water kills them straightaway, too--just about exactly as long as having a knife driven into their brain stem does. The whole point here is that we kill to eat, and that's the case no matter what is eaten. After all, grains, fruits and seeds are plant wombs and fetuses, and sprouted seeds/plants are living beings. The only thing vegans can comfort themselves with is that they only eat things that don't complain. Big hypocritical whoop.
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« Reply #113 on: November 23, 2009, 05:39:51 AM »

Fresh fish is an understatement

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6595481/Chinese-diners-eat-live-fish-in-YouTube-video.html
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« Reply #114 on: November 23, 2009, 01:00:24 PM »



"Reports have claimed some restaurants offer monkey's brains. Other dishes include rats, dogs, snakes, lizards and baby mice."

Is the monkey dish alive too? I'm imagining a Hannibal Lecter scene with the cap of the moneky's skull sawn off. 

Ok, they got that covered too.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/363754298/856680

More ;p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGmvjzLb1A

Yeah, Chinese culture. Who was preaching tolerance again?
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« Reply #115 on: November 23, 2009, 02:54:25 PM »

I was a vegan for five years. In terms of nutrition and health, it destroyed my teeth, was possibly the cause of depression and led to constant fatigue. On the other hand, I had absolutely no cholestral, and was relatively thin compared to what I am now.

In terms of ethics, I have no problem with the slaughtering of animals for food if it is done in a manner that I am comfortable with. Personally, I prefer the slitting of the throat.  I have helped with the slaughtering and skinning of goats, chickens and sheep on numerous occasions. I started eating meat again when I was forced to slaughter a goat at a ceremony in an African township. After that occasion I became more comfortable with the idea of eating meat and killing animals for food.

My personal belief, if you are a carnivore you should participate at least once in the slaughtering and skinning of a cow, goat, pig or lamb:) You'll gain much more respect for your food and the processes involved in the obtaining and preparing of meat. We have become too distant from the source of our food. Not to mention that it's also an extremely useful skill to have. 
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« Reply #116 on: November 23, 2009, 03:02:56 PM »

My personal belief, if you are a carnivore you should participate at least once in the slaughtering and skinning [snip] and preparing of meat. We have become too distant from the source of our food. Not to mention that it's also an extremely useful skill to have. 
I totally agree. I have met far too many people who can't tell you which part of a cow's body steak is and it is a completely useful skill to have. You never really know where life will take you, and knowing how to kill a chicken or prepare an animal for food may never come in handy, but at least a working knowledge of it should be a basic. That, and the ability to find/create water that is fit to drink in a number of habitats and create rudimentary shelter out of whatever is available.

Oh, yeah... you need to actually *do* this kind of thing, as well, not simply have read some book about it. That ridiculous movie Into the Wild is an object lesson about what happens to people with theoretical knowledge only. 
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« Reply #117 on: November 26, 2009, 06:02:38 PM »

Dogs can be vegans too, apparently. Just when you think this veggie fad can't get any fucking dumber.

http://www.vegandognutritionassociation.com/

http://vegetariandogs.com/VDWebsite/vd.htm

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« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2009, 06:09:33 PM »

Compassionate Nutrition.

Right, forcing your best friend to eat a completely unatural diet is really compassionate. Dicks.
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« Reply #119 on: November 26, 2009, 06:57:43 PM »

Dogs are vegan until they go Cujo.
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